I Hate Breakcore

by **Silent Frog** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:37 pm

shift decimal wrote:Ragga vocals sound better phonetically than boring pop singalong crap. Like metal vocalists, it's about the groove, most of the time I'd rather not completely know what they're singing about anyway.

Precisely! Couldn't have put it better myself.

by **sintec** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:25 pm

I have only one complaint with those who sample reggae/ragga music and that is the number of "batty bwoy" samples that find their way into tunes.

Several people on here have said they don't care about the content of the lyrics. So does this make it okay for me to sample Hitler ranting about exterminating jews and stick that in a track. He was a great speaker I'm sure I could find some nice rhythms and sounds in his speeches. So why don't I? Because I find the very concept of promoting that ideology massivly offensive. Same reason I won't be using any samples from gay bashing dancehall tunes.

Sample whatever you like but please be aware of what you're saying with your samples. If you like the rhythm of some anti-gay dancehall then you'd better find a way to change the message or I for one won't be spinning it in any DJ set I ever play. Some great tunes have been totally ruined for me by this kind of sampling. And no it is not a defense to say well I didn't understand what he was saying, I don't reckon that would stand up in court if you got done for hate crimes which is essentially what you're committing by using these hate filled samples.

Raggacore is fine by my it's just the homophobia that I have a problem with.

by **kvkvg** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:38 pm

sintec wrote:I have only one complaint with those who sample reggae/ragga music and that is the number of "batty bwoy" samples that find their way into tunes.

Several people on here have said they don't care about the content of the lyrics. So does this make it okay for me to sample Hitler ranting about exterminating jews and stick that in a track. He was a great speaker I'm sure I could find some nice rhythms and sounds in his speeches. So why don't I? Because I find the very concept of promoting that ideology massivly offensive. Same reason I won't be using any samples from gay bashing dancehall tunes.

Sample whatever you like but please be aware of what you're saying with your samples. If you like the rhythm of some anti-gay dancehall then you'd better find a way to change the message or I for one won't be spinning it in any DJ set I ever play. Some great tunes have been totally ruined for me by this kind of sampling. And no it is not a defense to say well I didn't understand what he was saying, I don't reckon that would stand up in court if you got done for hate crimes which is essentially what you're committing by using these hate filled samples.

Raggacore is fine by my it's just the homophobia that I have a problem with.

i agree totally. i do use ragge but i try to add some homosexual connetations to it for good karma. lets use thier amazing vocal talents to ridicule their hateful views.
i urge any producers who might make money from this kind of music to never EVER pay royalites to these spiteful fucks.

by **sintec** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:48 pm

kvkvg wrote:i agree totally. i do use ragge but i try to add some homosexual connetations to it for good karma. lets use thier amazing vocal talents to ridicule their hateful views.

have you heard Istari Lasterfahrers - Batty Bwoy Soundclash Massive?

that's an awesome example of what can be done to ridicule their hateful words.

by fap* » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:00 pm

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by **vank** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:04 am

lol. gwan leaf me nuh.

by **oifaeN** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:06 pm

something like http://www.dump.no/files/0ca8d3542c76/gallang.mp3 ?

by **+ToRMeNT+** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:39 am

loaderror wrote:Ragga vocals are just carried over from jungle... remarc's been doing it since the early 90's. I don't get how it's a new or hip thing. It's always sounded hot over an amen break. This argument is pretty stupid regardless

Not to mention that this entire thread/topic is like soooo 2004. Raggacore? in 2007? ... meh.

by **Alan_** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:52 pm

I like raggacore. As a queerfolk, I'm kind of on the fence about the homophobia present in some of the acapellas producers choose to use. On the one hand I find the language offensive, but on the other hand, I wonder if the producer even realized what the toaster was saying. For instance, there's a couple of Soundmurderer trax that have vocals going off about battybwoy this and that, but they're really strong tunes. In the future I wanna take a ragga acapella and rearrange it so it's saying something along the lines of "I really want a battybwoy to do me in the bum bum".

by **cuttingagent** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:24 am

GoldWolf80 wrote:Why is it nearly every new Breakcore release (at least recently) features ragga samples? I'm not referring to the dub stuff which has been knocking about for years, i'm talking about 'white' Breakcore producers shoehorning ragga into their tunes just to be 'on the current tip'.
Ragga has been a part of 'black' culture for years, just as Punk music was pretty much exclusively a 'white' man thing. So why is there so much ragga in Breakcore? I'm gonna go out on a limb and presume most Breakcore producers are 'white' males ( watch notes on Breakcore, not a black guy in sight!) so why are most of these producers sampling this music they do not really belong to, or have cultural ties to? Did they miss the Ragga jungle scene of '94 which got stale and died out? Or do we have a bunch of 'white' Breakcore producers trying to be 'black'.
Stop this shit already, you have your own culture to draw from. Stop the fakery at once.!!
What would you lot say if a scruffy looking Canadian started making Classical albums from his laptop..........erm hang on a minute.

P.s Its the Filaria - Dib dab dub ep that set off this little rant. Sorry, but 2 of the very well constructed tracks are ruined due to pointless ragga samples, apparently produced by an Irish geezer who i very much doubt is a black guy.

it's pretty sad to see so many people pissing and moaning about how people choose to make music. i haven't heard the tracks in question but shit, they obviously like raggae or something. or maybe they hate it but like to sample it. saying white people can't sample shit from other cultures is just racism. i guess black kids cant start punk bands either. better send a letter to bad brains.

by **Mighty** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:29 am

I havent heard one new tune this week with a ragga sample in it and ive been shopping around for new tunes to play so... whatever. not to mention the whole rant comes off sorta racist.

however some interesting discussion arrives as a result so thats good...

LFO demon brings up responsible ragga ish production techniques in terms of rearranging vocals in one of his informational texts found here

http://www.lfodemon.com/texts.htm

actually all these articles are very good, its nice to see they still exist.

by **bendaa** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:43 am

Alan_ wrote:In the future I wanna take a ragga acapella and rearrange it so it's saying something along the lines of "I really want a battybwoy to do me in the bum bum".

Dead Set!! your a funneh cunt!!

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