Raggacore..

[GoldWolf80 Profile]

Why is it nearly every new Breakcore release (at least recently) features ragga samples? I'm not referring to the dub stuff which has been knocking about for years, i'm talking about 'white' Breakcore producers shoehorning ragga into their tunes just to be 'on the current tip'.
Ragga has been a part of 'black' culture for years, just as Punk music was pretty much exclusively a 'white' man thing. So why is there so much ragga in Breakcore? I'm gonna go out on a limb and presume most Breakcore producers are 'white' males ( watch notes on Breakcore, not a black guy in sight!) so why are most of these producers sampling this music they do not really belong to, or have cultural ties to? Did they miss the Ragga jungle scene of '94 which got stale and died out? Or do we have a bunch of 'white' Breakcore producers trying to be 'black'.
Stop this shit already, you have your own culture to draw from. Stop the fakery at once.!!
What would you lot say if a scruffy looking Canadian started making Classical albums from his laptop..........erm hang on a minute.


P.s Its the Filaria - Dib dab dub ep that set off this little rant. Sorry, but 2 of the very well constructed tracks are ruined due to pointless ragga samples, apparently produced by an Irish geezer who i very much doubt is a black guy.

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[Thallium Profile]

why are most of these producers sampling this music they do not really belong to, or have cultural ties to?

Oh I don't know, maybe because they like it? You could say the same for hip-hop, R&B, soul, funk, jazz, disco - all genres "black" people created and/or helped maintain a strong presence and influence in modern music - also found in pretty much every single breakcore track ever made. I'm just as entitled to "belong to" Michael Jackson, Aretha Franklin or Prince as you are, and I personally think your observation is preposterous.

Or do we have a bunch of 'white' Breakcore producers trying to be 'black'.

Look around you dude, it's not just breakcore producers trying to be "black", it's white people in general (for example white kids who pose on MySpace with "gang" signs and/or holding dollar bills (which is soooo fucking lame it's not funny.... well yeah, it is funny, downrigiht hilarious actually, but I digress)).

Stop this shit already, you have your own culture to draw from. Stop the fakery at once.!!

Today's society is a rapidly-growing one of multi-culturalism and every form of expressive art draws influence from somewhere/thing else. Nothing is original, everything that can be done already has been done... recycled, and done again. Especially when it comes to music.

What would you lot say if a scruffy looking Canadian started making Classical albums from his laptop..........erm hang on a minute.

LOL. Now THAT'S funny.

[Silent Frog Profile]

Oh, so if all music has to be race specific, shall we ban black people from using electric instruments and synthesisers because they were invented by the white man? I don't think acoustic rap would go down so well. Let us remove all traces of "black" influence from our music then, make it ethnically pure. Take out blues, funk and dub. Remove any use of the amen break. Lets use our own influences, because being white, we should stay white. Lets make music solely based on "white" sounds, like the Italian opera or the Irish jig. Oh no, wait, I'm English. Does that mean I can only use "English" music or is it just the colour of my skin which matters?

Honestly, I don't know if you were trying to be or not but this is one of the most racist things I've heard in ages. I don't know why you singled out breakcore for this attack but it's not as if it's the only music which has happily made a crossover with "black" genres. Punk was not exclusively white. True, most punk bands were but a huge number of them took reggae influences, most notably the Clash and the Ruts. Later on, Two-Tone emerged which was a reggae-punk crossover. Bands such as the Selecter and the Specials even had black members. Oh my god, how crazy is this! Please do your history before making such a judgement, you just sound stupid.

I've been listening to dub and funk since before I can remember. I grew up listening to my dad's records with bands such as Parliament, King Tubby, and Led Zeppelin who, despite being a white band, would have been nothing without the influence of the blues, a "black" genre. Now I listen to raggacore and I don't intend to stop because of narrow-minded, ill thought out ideas.

[Red Sparowe Profile]

Oh no, wait, I'm English. Does that mean I can only use "English" music or is it just the colour of my skin which matters?

Lol I can't really imagine breakcore being made with Lutes and such. In all seriousness though Silent Frog is completely right, technically if you wanted to listen to either 'white' music you'd have to listen to either folk or classical and i have a feeling that would be a pretty bleak musical experience for the rest of your life. I can't help but remember a rant the Nazis used to have about Jazz in the 1940's. Apparently good old white culture was being subverted by all that crazy 'black' music. Think it over GoldWolf, i think you'll realize what a stupid thing it is you've just said.

[weyheyhey !! Profile Website]

Why is it nearly every new Breakcore release (at least recently) features ragga samples?

way to encourage segregation, and enforce racial stereotypes you fucking idiot.

[dcs Profile]

some people like it some people don´t
doesn´t matter what collor or rase or planet or ... whatever
personally i don´t like the "bo bu yo yo" and the strange acent singing
´cause i also hate raggee and ragga
but idon´t think it´s bad music
ijust don´t like it - same as rap - gangsterrap bling bling oh i go buy me a dimont brace so i´m cool

[Dj Doreetoh Profile Website]

i like raggacore yet i remember reading somewhere that a ragga mC found out about the genre and started protesting loads about it online, saying mixing ragga and breakcore and gabba were the worst thing white man has done etc.

[GoldWolf80 Profile]

Whoa, hang on a bit, i aint against ragga or dub. I have a healthy collection of old jungle 12" thanks very much, and i'm certainly not being racist. Lets have some fucking honesty, its a bunch of white producers hijacking a genre and bunging any old ragga sample into a track because its a current trend in Breakcore.
Black people will come out kicking and screaming to state ragga is a Black music and theirs exclusively with its own deep lingo and various styles.
How many White producers were brought up listening to ragga? How many of the current producers actually listen to ragga or understand the lingo? I know its not impenetrable, but White man trying to get 'wit' Black man chat make me want to vomit on my keyboard.

Also Hip hop and ragga are a totally different kettle o fish.

Anyone remember Snow - Informer? didn't quite work eh, until Shitmat did a tounge in cheek mashup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm4JMHL4tuE

This video sums up the whole point i'm trying to make. Imposters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icb_tRTn ... ed&search=

[Silent Frog Profile]

GoldWolf80 wrote:
Whoa, hang on a bit, i aint against ragga or dub. I have a healthy collection of old jungle 12" thanks very much, and i'm certainly not being racist.


You do realise the majority of jungle was and still is produced by white people? Raggacore producers aren't "hijacking" a genre, they are just fusing two musical sounds they happen to like. I expect a large proportion of breakcore producers grew up on dub and jungle so they probably have been listening to the Jamaican influenced sound for quite some time. And even if they didn't, why can't someone use samples just because they like the sound. Personally, I can't even understand lyrics in white pop music half the time so I don't care what they are talking about. I prefer the accents and rhythms in vocals and like to think of them as just another instrument so I don't see what's wrong with me using vocals from other cultures in my music. I like the sounds of Indian classical music and when I'd like to make breakcore tracks influenced by it but are you saying I shouldn't just because it's not my music? So where do you stand on Venetian Snares' Hungarian influences?

And just for the record, I like Informer before Shitmat's mashup.

[GoldWolf80 Profile]

GoldWolf80 wrote:
Whoa, hang on a bit, i aint against ragga or dub. I have a healthy collection of old jungle 12" thanks very much, and i'm certainly not being racist.


You do realise the majority of jungle was and still is produced by white people? Raggacore producers aren't "hijacking" a genre, they are just fusing two musical sounds they happen to like. I expect a large proportion of breakcore producers grew up on dub and jungle so they probably have been listening to the Jamaican influenced sound for quite some time. And even if they didn't, why can't someone use samples just because they like the sound. Personally, I can't even understand lyrics in white pop music half the time so I don't care what they are talking about. I prefer the accents and rhythms in vocals and like to think of them as just another instrument so I don't see what's wrong with me using vocals from other cultures in my music. I like the sounds of Indian classical music and when I'd like to make breakcore tracks influenced by it but are you saying I shouldn't just because it's not my music? So where do you stand on Venetian Snares' Hungarian influences?

And just for the record, I like Informer before Shitmat's mashup.

Fair points, but maybe i didn't articulate my point as well as i should have. My influences come from everywhere, including many Black influenced music such as reggae / ragga / jungle / Funk / Hip Hop
But i honestly beleive the current trend for ragga in breakcore is more a case of 'bandwagon jumping' as opposed to a true influence on the (white)producers part. Also, i didn't think it was possible to 'grow up' on Jungle/D&B unless you was born in 1990. I mean real musical influences from a young age, not a flash in the pan as ragga jungle was between 93-96. The vast majority of D&B has no ragga inluences, as you said most of it produced by White men.

I also liked Informer before the Shitmat mashup, still doesn't get away from the fact he's a fake arse wadclatt wanabe milkybar ragga chump.

[Tulippe Profile]

i havent read all the replies...

but, my opinion is because Broken Amen breaks belong with ragga vocals.
and IMO the ragga-jungle scene didnt die or get stale. ITS STILL FUCKING INCREDIBLE!

just like raggacore. Its the best type of breakcore i've probably heard.
MORE BROKEN AMENs PLEASE!

fuck this repeating hardcore shiat.


if i had a wish, it would be to have a little drummer monkey that would follow me playing amens all the time!
give him some speed and switch it to overdrive a.k.a raggacore.

thank you.

[weyheyhey !! Profile Website]

...blabbed some shit...

You're argument is completey fucking stupid and totally misplaced.

I don't care what "ethnicity" the musician is
I don't care what they grew up listening to
I couldn't give a shit where they got their samples from
Or if they were racially qualified to use them
I don't care what fucking software they used either, while we're at it

Instructions: Listen to the music; do you like it? Yes/No. That's all that matters to true music fans.

If you want to get politics involved, then kindly fuck off and start a protest outside the next shitmatt gig.

You are blates completely devoid of any sense of "fun". And please don't bother making any music yourself, since you're clearly so self-concsious about what you use and how you use it, it'll no doubt be homogenised and boring.


And just for the record, I don't particularly like "raggacore" myself.

[Silent Frog Profile]

Also, i didn't think it was possible to 'grow up' on Jungle/D&B unless you was born in 1990. I mean real musical influences from a young age, not a flash in the pan as ragga jungle was between 93-96. The vast majority of D&B has no ragga inluences, as you said most of it produced by White men.

I very much doubt that someone born in 1990 would grow up listening to D&B. Anyway, I disagree that the majority of D&B has no ragga influences. All MCing is a direct evolution from the toasting in dub and dancehall. I would say more D&B producers than I care to think about use MCs in their live set, even though I'd much rather they didn't. So are you saying you felt the same way about ragga jungle as you do about raggacore? It's always good to be consistent.

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