Major labels - A bit of a debate
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Major labels - A bit of a debate
As breakcore is so unrestrained and so undefined as a genre, being so disparate in it's nature, are there any acts currently signed to a major label that could be considered breakcore by casual listeners? And, if not, could breakcore become a genre of music that major labels take seriously, or at least dip their toes into, much in the same way that Sony BMG signed Satyricon (a Norwegian black metal band), despite black metal not having any 'commercial' interests, both within and outside of it's scene?
If such was the case, would the trade off of 'integrity' (IE, a freedom to do what we want without the restrictions that market-dependant music requires) against 'commercial viability' (IE: a larger audience, more money, but far less control, etc. etc.) be something that breakcore artists are willing to involve themselves in?
Just an interesting debate topic to kick things off .
Steviant.
If such was the case, would the trade off of 'integrity' (IE, a freedom to do what we want without the restrictions that market-dependant music requires) against 'commercial viability' (IE: a larger audience, more money, but far less control, etc. etc.) be something that breakcore artists are willing to involve themselves in?
Just an interesting debate topic to kick things off .
Steviant.
What counts as a major? Elektra is a sub label of Atlantic, which is part of the Warner group. Would that count? Atari Teenage Riot and more
http://www.discogs.com/search?type=all& ... btn=Search
Never heard of it but found this on Sony. Wagdug Futuristic Unity - Nu яiot
http://www.discogs.com/release/1169523
Not sure if you'd quite count either of them but there are probably other, similar examples about...
http://www.discogs.com/search?type=all& ... btn=Search
Never heard of it but found this on Sony. Wagdug Futuristic Unity - Nu яiot
http://www.discogs.com/release/1169523
Not sure if you'd quite count either of them but there are probably other, similar examples about...
Re: Major labels - A bit of a debate
Steviant wrote:If such was the case, would the trade off of 'integrity' (IE, a freedom to do what we want without the restrictions that market-dependant music requires) against 'commercial viability' (IE: a larger audience, more money, but far less control, etc. etc.) be something that breakcore artists are willing to involve themselves in?
Erm, considering 99.9999999999999% of artists use samples without permission.............no.
Fez wrote:Relapse have released Merzbow.
You're shitting me.
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I don't think any of the proper majors will be putting out any kind of Breakcore or interesting electronic music for the foreseeable future. The industry can't be bothered to touch anything that deviates from the lowest common denominator and isn't prepared to invest in promoting anything really new. Why potentially loose millions of £/$/€ releasing somthing that will certainly piss a bunch of people off when you can just put out a band that sounds like The (insert word here). If you look at statistics the people who buy the most music are 25-40 year old men so the industry just triess to cater for what it thinks this demographic wants i.e. "real" music. Guitars but not too fast or heavy, non of that computer nonsense.
As far as the black metal analogy goes, I think you are underestimating the market for that kind of stuff. Just think about how many goth kids you see an then how many people you know who actually buy breakcore. Black metal has also been around for longer than the whole of the rave scene. Dance/electronic music is still a relatively small section of the whole market. I think the best chance of breakcore coming out on a major has to be as a sub of a sub division of a label. I think some one like relapse (are they independant or a sub) could/should put out some like Eustation.
As far as the black metal analogy goes, I think you are underestimating the market for that kind of stuff. Just think about how many goth kids you see an then how many people you know who actually buy breakcore. Black metal has also been around for longer than the whole of the rave scene. Dance/electronic music is still a relatively small section of the whole market. I think the best chance of breakcore coming out on a major has to be as a sub of a sub division of a label. I think some one like relapse (are they independant or a sub) could/should put out some like Eustation.
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I dont think breakcore will ever make an impression on a more commercial audience, electronic music on the most part never really does. The more commercial side o0f music caters to a mostly brain dead audience that just 'dont get' music without lyrics and fail to appreciate the structure and effort that goes into producing and mixing good electronic music.
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Re: Major labels - A bit of a debate
Thallium wrote:Steviant wrote:If such was the case, would the trade off of 'integrity' (IE, a freedom to do what we want without the restrictions that market-dependant music requires) against 'commercial viability' (IE: a larger audience, more money, but far less control, etc. etc.) be something that breakcore artists are willing to involve themselves in?
Erm, considering 99.9999999999999% of artists use samples without permission.............no.Fez wrote:Relapse have released Merzbow.
You're shitting me.
It was actually on the relapse sub label Release Entertainment. Someone working for them was really into noise:
http://www.discogs.com/label/Release+Entertainment
Masonna was also released. The label didn't do so well, and they decided to stop producing money as the guy running it left the company I think.
Ron of Rrrecords and Emil Beaulieau fame:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IuEIQI-bIE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Beaulieau
http://www.rrrecords.com/
was supposed to have a release on the label but it was rejected:
http://www.discogs.com/release/610153
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i was released on a major label. have you herd of me............no, kinda stupid, who cares, how would you feel if everyone liked experimental music. youd feel like your at an experimental music festival=awsome. not gonna happen
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nine inch nails has made a breakcore song
the great destroyer, wait till the middle, shit gets fucking rude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeKMJZE1tU8
the great destroyer, wait till the middle, shit gets fucking rude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeKMJZE1tU8
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the problem for me is not in the major label business
The real problem is probably the increasingly part of pop mashup stuff... look at drop the lime, he play in the same night as institube... (if you don't know institube is a kind of band of electro bourgeois house they come directly from the upper class ...definetly not the party ethic that i want to spread...)
I don't know where is the problem with major... as long as you can control your image and creation (wich is a real problem..)...
Don't you wanna your tracks to be spread all over the world ?
The real problem is probably the increasingly part of pop mashup stuff... look at drop the lime, he play in the same night as institube... (if you don't know institube is a kind of band of electro bourgeois house they come directly from the upper class ...definetly not the party ethic that i want to spread...)
I don't know where is the problem with major... as long as you can control your image and creation (wich is a real problem..)...
Don't you wanna your tracks to be spread all over the world ?
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romantik.berserka wrote:the problem for me is not in the major label business
The real problem is probably the increasingly part of pop mashup stuff... look at drop the lime, he play in the same night as institube... (if you don't know institube is a kind of band of electro bourgeois house they come directly from the upper class ...definetly not the party ethic that i want to spread...)
I don't know where is the problem with major... as long as you can control your image and creation (wich is a real problem..)...
Don't you wanna your tracks to be spread all over the world ?
Well, two comments on your argument:
1) Drop the lime doesn't make "breakcore" style music anymore
2) Drop the lime is a giant wobbly tit
In fact, what the hell are you trying to say man?
On the original post: WHY do you have to do one or the other? Why couldn't someone make toned-down (guided) stuff for the big labels, and make experimental stuff for the indie guys at the same?
These aren't mutually exclusive ideas, people
Of course this is all moot, because there's no money in this scene. Let me repeat that:
THERE'S NO MONEY IN THIS SCENE
thank fuck. so give that shit up please? A record label is a business not a promoter of arts or a charity. They don't have any kind of cultural obligation. If you want money, go do something else like alchemy or whatev.
producer_snafu wrote:nine inch nails has made a breakcore song
the great destroyer, wait till the middle, shit gets fucking rude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeKMJZE1tU8
NIN is fucking the majors
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