How to do 'breakcore'
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- gigassassin
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- Joined: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:00 am
I'm going to weigh in for the Cubase camp here. In combination with Battery 3, it's godlike power. I can change tempos and time sigs all over the place. It quantizes well past 4096th notes (128 32-lets), as if you need anything past 1024ths. My software is thus able to program anything that I can come up with.
But yeah -I can sample anything I want into Battery, tweak it in there, and send sound out of Battery on 16 channels (8 stereo, 8 mono) which can all be effected seperately with either inserts or effects. Then there's midi CC automation in Cubase which allows me to twiddle any knob on Battery, or any VSTi, with a neat little line graph.
As far as a live show goes, I'm looking into NI's Traktor Scratch, and maybe Ableton in the future, but I'm stuck in the Army, so I'm good with just composing and producing for now.
Also, Cubase 4 has worked out the sidechain issue pretty nicely.
But yeah -I can sample anything I want into Battery, tweak it in there, and send sound out of Battery on 16 channels (8 stereo, 8 mono) which can all be effected seperately with either inserts or effects. Then there's midi CC automation in Cubase which allows me to twiddle any knob on Battery, or any VSTi, with a neat little line graph.
As far as a live show goes, I'm looking into NI's Traktor Scratch, and maybe Ableton in the future, but I'm stuck in the Army, so I'm good with just composing and producing for now.
Also, Cubase 4 has worked out the sidechain issue pretty nicely.
I'm having trouble trying to start out and do breakcore via Live. I've tried to putting in break samples and slicing it up, but I really don't know where to put them and how to modify each individual sound? Do have I have to a seperate midi track for each slice? Or is there a way to keep all slices on same track and use different keys to signal the sounds. Also would it just be easier to do this in NI Battery?
Basically I'm stuck at the beginning.
Basically I'm stuck at the beginning.
- Silent Frog
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- Joined: Sat May 05, 2007 12:00 am
- Location: Bristol/Norwich, UK
I've tried cutting up breaks in Live with very little success so I've moved to Fruity Loops. I still plan to use Live eventually but that will be more for arrangement and live performance. What might be easier is to arrange the breaks in another program and then import them into live so you can trigger the samples there. I know some people here have used Renoise for the breaks and then Live for the rest (which is what I could do if I could be bothered to learn the former). If you are still set on using Live for everything, this tutorial might be helpful. Not breakcore but it does teach some breaks arrangement, though to be honest i find the method quite clumsy and would sound pretty shit unless you already have a well arranged break in the first place. Give it a go though: http://virtualturntable.fourstones.net/ ... leton-live
- ny4rl4thot3p
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- Joined: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:00 am
- Location: Detroit
all this discussion about trackers made me excited.
I love buzz. it's a bit wonky to use sometimes, but once you get the hang of it, it's a really sweet program.
I also really like goattracker, but that's more of a c64 tracker, and not for those who are trying to avoid the chippy sound.
i'm actually just getting into trackers, and i absolutely love it.
I have gotten to the point though where I no longer use just one program for my sounds and sequencing. I do bits in fruity loops. Some bits i record from goat tracker and buzz. Some things i actually just moosh together in soundforge or goldwave. then as of late ive been taking those pieces and sequencing them in ableton. it's kind of been easier for me to translate the music i do into livesets that way, instead of having to cut tracks up into parts and then slap it in ableton. this way i can resequence things while i'm playing live, and because i tend to forget how my songs go sometimes, i wind up doing live remixes of my stuff. i've actually heard of people producing IN ableton, but to be honest, i don't really see how to do that with out wanting to shoot yourself, unless they're doing purely sample based stuff. Not that there's anything wrong with sampling at all, i use a ton of samples, i just don't understand ableton well enough yet to understand how i can completely recreate samples into my own bits using strictly ableton as a production suite.
I love buzz. it's a bit wonky to use sometimes, but once you get the hang of it, it's a really sweet program.
I also really like goattracker, but that's more of a c64 tracker, and not for those who are trying to avoid the chippy sound.
i'm actually just getting into trackers, and i absolutely love it.
I have gotten to the point though where I no longer use just one program for my sounds and sequencing. I do bits in fruity loops. Some bits i record from goat tracker and buzz. Some things i actually just moosh together in soundforge or goldwave. then as of late ive been taking those pieces and sequencing them in ableton. it's kind of been easier for me to translate the music i do into livesets that way, instead of having to cut tracks up into parts and then slap it in ableton. this way i can resequence things while i'm playing live, and because i tend to forget how my songs go sometimes, i wind up doing live remixes of my stuff. i've actually heard of people producing IN ableton, but to be honest, i don't really see how to do that with out wanting to shoot yourself, unless they're doing purely sample based stuff. Not that there's anything wrong with sampling at all, i use a ton of samples, i just don't understand ableton well enough yet to understand how i can completely recreate samples into my own bits using strictly ableton as a production suite.
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call vankmen
force him to come over
have him create breakcore
always works for me!
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call vankmen
force him to come over
have him create breakcore
always works for me!
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make jungle drums in 7/8 with at least 5 drum kits and a meaty amen break sequence at 220 bpm on speed 3 in renoise - compress it all with camel crusher - render bits of it to new samples and sequence those too. stick a few reverses and retriggers in their with a massive reverb, a distortion and super fast delay on a couple of send tracks - play with the automation of the sends.
then time stretch vocals and synths and white noise in ableton render and stick back into renioise - play around with vsts and the lofimat - export everything into cubase and microedit and eq and compress everything. render as wav and master in your software of choice (i actually like to get the mix tight in cubase and then master in renoise my limiter plug works much better within renoise than cubase??)
render again and convert to mp3 - upload to ihatebreakcore.com - receive 2/10 and cry a little...
then time stretch vocals and synths and white noise in ableton render and stick back into renioise - play around with vsts and the lofimat - export everything into cubase and microedit and eq and compress everything. render as wav and master in your software of choice (i actually like to get the mix tight in cubase and then master in renoise my limiter plug works much better within renoise than cubase??)
render again and convert to mp3 - upload to ihatebreakcore.com - receive 2/10 and cry a little...
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