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I need help with my drum programing...

Postby ClarinetCore » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:57 am

Hey guys,

I feel like I need some tips for how to program drums. I try to get them really fast, (Like, Venetian Snares fast) but when I try to make it, it ends up sounding like crappy mashed up drums. It seems like my rhythm just isn't fluid enough, you know?

When I listen to Venetian, even though the beat is like 400+ bpm, I can hear and follow the rhythm. I want to get it up to somewhere of that standard. One artist I can think of on this website that gets very close to Venetian Snares is Helix. I do like his style. So any tips or perhaps even tutorials would be awesome. :D By the way, I use Renoise. :P

K, thnx, bie!

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Postby weyheyhey !! » Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:35 am

renoise? i'll send you something tomorrow if i have time.

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Postby weyheyhey !! » Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:20 pm

here: demo.xrns

set row highlight to every 12 lines in renoise..

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Postby avisupchurch » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:50 pm

this is where it helps most to just listen to a LOT of breakcore so you can have an idea as to what techniques you like and what rhythms you want to hear in your own music... also you got to pick samples that are balanced well to each other (using the sample packs that you can download from various places on this site are really helpful)
your drum programming can't just be random hits and piles of notes or it will sound like a mess... you'll have to make use of patterns and repetition and try to make your super fast rhythms reflect the larger structure of whatever you're doing... it can take a lot of patience!

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Postby ClarinetCore » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:08 am

Thanks for your help you guys! :D

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Postby ClarinetCore » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:33 pm

Hey, I noticed that in the demo file you put up, that all the samples seemed to be altered to be really short, like their tempo had been messed with. Does this help with the flow or something? :o

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Postby weyheyhey !! » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:02 am

I dunno what you mean .. ?

Do you mean where I put the '00's after a sample to cut out the volume? I did that cos it makes a sort of choppier 'breakier' sound. as for the original loop, yeah I time-stretched it to 200bpm (I think, can't remember exactly).

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Postby Chaos Chaplain » Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:16 am

@ weyheyhey !!

Cheers for the demo, not too happy with my current style and this is a great example to learn from.

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Postby GoldWolf80 » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:49 am

Just checked the demo, good stuff, but i still do not know how to add effects like you have in the third column. I have a standard pc keyboard, and haven't sussed out how to actually put effects besides the notes! Which keys on my keyboard do i have to press to allow me to input effects into the column?

please help! its doin my head in :)

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Postby weyheyhey !! » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:04 pm

no worries chaps :)

GoldWolf80:

you mean the pattern effects column? like '0900', '0820' etc etc ?

Umm, press the right arrow key. Or just double click on that column :p

The commands you put in there are really basic. I mostly just use them for quick panning (08xx) , playing from an offset (09xx) and channel volume (0Cxx). There's a list here:

http://tutorials.renoise.com/?n=Renoise.EffectCommands

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Postby GoldWolf80 » Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:45 pm

@ wayheyhey. Yeah i've been experimenting a bit, figured out the settings on notes for the volume. I noticed with the demo you did how just adding a few simple effects can give the break a neat twist.

Thanks for the heads up, i'll have to dig into Renoise a bit deeper and get me hands dirty. :)

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Postby ClarinetCore » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:25 am

Oh my god! I've been playing around with random stuff, and this speedcore stuff is SO HARD! I had no idea! Oh well, Just keep trying I suppose. :lol:

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Postby weyheyhey !! » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:19 pm

speedcore? speedcore is easy. just set the bpm to something unreasonable like 500, copy and paste a gabba kick for three minutes, use a load of tired, distorted synths (inserted randomly), pepper it with clichéd distorted vox, extract all evidence of musical merit end effort and voila!

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Postby GoldWolf80 » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:49 pm

Speedcore was good when Loftgroover, HMS, Bassgenerator were at their maddest between say 95-97 imo. 909 mayhem :twisted:

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thnx

Postby Volor » Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:01 pm

Omg weyheyhey !!,u have no idea(well,u probably do,but it sounds better if i say u don't) how much I learned from that demo!!
Could you pls put a,other renoise breakcore/breakbeat demo up here with some diffrent effects commonly used in breakcore?thnx

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