Odd time signature general topic.
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- Skornsteen
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Odd time signature general topic.
Hey.. use this thread to explain your techniques or methods while writing in odd time signatures.
An aproach I tend to use is to start writing a melody/lead/bassline in an odd time signature.
When I got a nice smooth melody (it starts as a rough idea in my head)
Then I program drums under there, and if you don't get a nice rolling pattern, try to use accent snare drums and kickdrums that follow your lead, fill them between with wicked percussions and what ever.
What also works pretty well is to make a 4/4 beat, which will be your standard, you can ofcourse build variations on this 4/4 pattern.
After that you have finished this pattern, you build multiple patterns apart from the 4/4 pattern(s), in a 1/4 time, I recommend you to make multiple and try to adjust them to the 4/4 pattern in some way. With these 1/4 patterns and 4/4 patterns you can build 7/8, 5/4, and other timings.
Well that's my basic strategy, I'm interested in more different strategy's from other people..
And if you have any questions, hit me.
An aproach I tend to use is to start writing a melody/lead/bassline in an odd time signature.
When I got a nice smooth melody (it starts as a rough idea in my head)
Then I program drums under there, and if you don't get a nice rolling pattern, try to use accent snare drums and kickdrums that follow your lead, fill them between with wicked percussions and what ever.
What also works pretty well is to make a 4/4 beat, which will be your standard, you can ofcourse build variations on this 4/4 pattern.
After that you have finished this pattern, you build multiple patterns apart from the 4/4 pattern(s), in a 1/4 time, I recommend you to make multiple and try to adjust them to the 4/4 pattern in some way. With these 1/4 patterns and 4/4 patterns you can build 7/8, 5/4, and other timings.
Well that's my basic strategy, I'm interested in more different strategy's from other people..
And if you have any questions, hit me.
- Iron Attorney
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I don't really have a strategy for writing it, I find my mind works naturally in silly time signature, however having had to try and convey these to a drummer in an old metal band, i do have some experience breaking it down. If you've got your melody or beat in mind already and are trying to work out the next layer, i find it helps to split it up into several time signatures. Using 7/8 as an example (largely cos it's my favourate time signature
) you can split this up into 1 bar of 4 and 1 bar of 3, or 2 bars of 2 and 1 bar of 3, and so on... i'm sure you can all work the maths
if you count along you should work out how your riff works, whether it feels like a 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 groove or a 1 2 1 2 1 2 3 or what have you (trust me, they are quite different!)
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- Iron Attorney
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I wouldn't say there is a weak way of doing it as long as you get results..
I'm about to undertake a track in 15/8... i think, i've never been too graet with the second number... the first ones the only one that matters anyway
I'm about to undertake a track in 15/8... i think, i've never been too graet with the second number... the first ones the only one that matters anyway
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- avisupchurch
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One easy way to make 7/8 or 15/16 is to take a break that loops in 4/4 and just get rid of the last slice... since the last slice is usually a hi hat or ride or maybe a ghost snare. Then make a melody or bassline that fits with the loop. Making other odd time signatures takes a bit more creativity, though.
- ManInThePlanet
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I think I'm jaded now when it comes to 4/4, especially in electronic music, I seem to always associate it with dance music, which I'm sure everyone here despises as well. Then there's the constant thought of being perceived as copying Venetian Snares for using other time signatures, especially 7/4. Anyone else have this dilemma?
- avisupchurch
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ManInThePlanet wrote:I think I'm jaded now when it comes to 4/4, especially in electronic music, I seem to always associate it with dance music, which I'm sure everyone here despises as well. Then there's the constant thought of being perceived as copying Venetian Snares for using other time signatures, especially 7/4. Anyone else have this dilemma?
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I was thinking about this recently, too, and I have had the same problem... if it weren't for Venetian Snares I think I would be doing everything in an odd time signature, but I shied away because electronic music in 7/4 kind of seems like his thing; other people don't really do it. But you know what... fuck it... nobody has a copyright or patent on 7/4, which is IMO the most interesting time signature, and there is a lot of potential to do unique things with it... Lots of folk music in the world uses odd time signatures (Eastern Europe, the Middle East/North Africa), prog rock uses it, some contemporary classical music, etc. so it's not like VSnares invented 7/8 time. I think if people are comfortable and feel inspired to work in odd time signatures than they shouldn't hold back.
And one more thing... I don't know about the rest of you, but when it comes to my own music, no one really gives a shit anyways... except for maybe a handful of other people who like it only because they make similar music, and some friends who "like" it just because they're my friends. So just make whatever sounds good to you without worrying who you're copying. Last I checked my most played song had only a couple hundred plays so I'd be kidding myself if I thought ripping somebody off was really an issue.
When we make the kind of music that goes on this forum, we're really only making it for ourselves, anyways... right?
Not trying to be self-deprecating or looking for pity, just telling it like it is... and I have a feeling this is probably true for at least a couple others out there reading this.
- Iron Attorney
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Sick track! I might go cut that with some venetian snares
I've been getting really into the 5/4 thang lately. Thinking i might write a whole set in it.
Got this track from a while back that kicks into 5/4 at 2:56
https://soundcloud.com/deserthour/time- ... king-title
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I've been getting really into the 5/4 thang lately. Thinking i might write a whole set in it.
Got this track from a while back that kicks into 5/4 at 2:56
https://soundcloud.com/deserthour/time- ... king-title
- avisupchurch
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Thanks man, yes 5/4 can also be really interesting... your track sounds pretty chill... honestly, I like the part of the track before it goes into 5/4 better :] If it were me I would either add more layers (to the percussion in the 5/4) or make it just a bit shorter (I have a short attention span for listening.) I dig the dumbek (or w/e that high-pitched hand drum is) samples and also the "squirrely synth." But then again that track was posted about a year ago (on Soundcloud) so maybe you're not so much looking to get feedback on it :]
- Iron Attorney
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Nah feedback is always good
as you might be able to tell I have a really long attention span (for some things) I blame tool for this
Not sure what the drum sample actually is, got it off the world drum preset on FL studios Direct Wave
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Not sure what the drum sample actually is, got it off the world drum preset on FL studios Direct Wave
- ManInThePlanet
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Yeah, Avis, it really is a genre of music generally made by the producer for the producer himself, done completely out of self-satisfaction, so to hell with anyone that doesn't like it, and kudos to anyone that wants to listen to our noise!
That being said, I'm obsessed with 5/4. So many cool rhythms to be made with it.
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That being said, I'm obsessed with 5/4. So many cool rhythms to be made with it.
Vidaa by Snares is the best example of 5/4 being jizzalicious I think
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